The problem I think people are having is that she has multiple, long-standing relationships with different guys at the same time
This is really interesting, and something that hasn't occurred to me totally. I figured it was more of a, you know, Lip ~deserves Karen so how dare she sleep around, but yeah, there are probably other factors there because Karen really is in a league of her own. Although I gotta point out that Lip does it, too, with Mandy.
She doesn't subscribe to traditional family values. (And with a father like Eddie, why the hell would she?) Even after kicking Jody to the curb, she gives no thought to the idea of possibly raising the baby with Lip.
Word.
I just want to keep the "This is it, Mom. Last chance. I'm not kidding. I'm gone. It's me or the baby. Decide." section and hold it, SO PERFECT. The Katherine connection is really apt, and I'm right with you RE: Shelia and the baby. Karen was right to leave, she was basically begging her mother to not take Karen's choice away, and got firmly rejected. That is ROUGH.
But the reason she continues to push him away is not because she doesn't deserve him or because she doesn't want him, but because I think it actually hurts her to be vulnerable with him after what happened between them and what happened with her father. Plain and simple. It's a way of protecting herself.
I think so, too. She can't seem to quite send Lip away for good, but I think that his presence hurts her and reminds her of things she doesn't want to think about anymore. She has so much ... I want to say regret, but really I think it's more on the shame spectrum. I feel like a lot of people were thrown by Karen's freak-out at the end of the first season, because they maybe felt that Karen owned her actions and her sexuality, so why would she be so hurt by being called a whore by her "worthless father" (and by Lip)? But when it comes down to it, Karen doesn't like herself, and she keeps acting worse and worse to cover that up ... which of course just makes it even more terrible for her and everyone else. I definitely think that this season was a continuation of that spiral for Karen, especially from the moment she found out she was pregnant. I'll have to go through the episodes again, but I feel like things with Karen were as okay as she could be until that point. If memory serves, I think that she found out she was pregnant for sure in the beginning of "A Beautiful Mess." When Lip waited for her to leave the house in order to get Jody to hang out with him/go to the bar, Karen was probably going to the doctor--leading right into the "The thing is, Lip? I'm not" moment).
Lip is a reminder of her absolute worst mistake. The baby is a reminder, along with the tattoo on her arm, that maybe she is just a whore like her father said.
Ugh, this makes me want to cry, it's so true.
And even though she "chooses herself" over everyone else, she definitely doesn't love herself. (But I think she wants to.) And that's sad.
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Aggh, you picked such great quotes.
The problem I think people are having is that she has multiple, long-standing relationships with different guys at the same time
This is really interesting, and something that hasn't occurred to me totally. I figured it was more of a, you know, Lip ~deserves Karen so how dare she sleep around, but yeah, there are probably other factors there because Karen really is in a league of her own. Although I gotta point out that Lip does it, too, with Mandy.
She doesn't subscribe to traditional family values. (And with a father like Eddie, why the hell would she?) Even after kicking Jody to the curb, she gives no thought to the idea of possibly raising the baby with Lip.
Word.
I just want to keep the "This is it, Mom. Last chance. I'm not kidding. I'm gone. It's me or the baby. Decide." section and hold it, SO PERFECT. The Katherine connection is really apt, and I'm right with you RE: Shelia and the baby. Karen was right to leave, she was basically begging her mother to not take Karen's choice away, and got firmly rejected. That is ROUGH.
But the reason she continues to push him away is not because she doesn't deserve him or because she doesn't want him, but because I think it actually hurts her to be vulnerable with him after what happened between them and what happened with her father. Plain and simple. It's a way of protecting herself.
I think so, too. She can't seem to quite send Lip away for good, but I think that his presence hurts her and reminds her of things she doesn't want to think about anymore. She has so much ... I want to say regret, but really I think it's more on the shame spectrum. I feel like a lot of people were thrown by Karen's freak-out at the end of the first season, because they maybe felt that Karen owned her actions and her sexuality, so why would she be so hurt by being called a whore by her "worthless father" (and by Lip)? But when it comes down to it, Karen doesn't like herself, and she keeps acting worse and worse to cover that up ... which of course just makes it even more terrible for her and everyone else. I definitely think that this season was a continuation of that spiral for Karen, especially from the moment she found out she was pregnant. I'll have to go through the episodes again, but I feel like things with Karen were as okay as she could be until that point. If memory serves, I think that she found out she was pregnant for sure in the beginning of "A Beautiful Mess." When Lip waited for her to leave the house in order to get Jody to hang out with him/go to the bar, Karen was probably going to the doctor--leading right into the "The thing is, Lip? I'm not" moment).
Lip is a reminder of her absolute worst mistake. The baby is a reminder, along with the tattoo on her arm, that maybe she is just a whore like her father said.
Ugh, this makes me want to cry, it's so true.
And even though she "chooses herself" over everyone else, she definitely doesn't love herself. (But I think she wants to.) And that's sad.
Yes, it really, really is :( :( :( :( :(