Yes, they do. People love being pissed off and self-righteous. THEY LOVE IT.
I do think he's going somewhere with it. Somewhere that he's only just starting to get to. The small signals of Echo's increasing self-awareness are clear signs of that.
But for some people it's just all too yucky, and I can dig that. In fact the show is testing the boundaries of my own dub-con squick. I'm going to persevere because I have faith in Joss as a masterful storyteller. If it gets too yucky for me I guess I'll jump ship, but I can't see the yuck factor extending too far beyond where it already is.
I guess my theory about it is, Joss has made it a point many times to tell women's stories. Women are humans and all humans suffer. (And most of us don't kick ass and take names afterward.) So to not show their suffering would be disingenuous and false and BORING.
I agree. This show hasn't even gone nearly as far as to show the degradation and exploitation of human trafficking that goes on in the real world, and as I understand it targets women far more than men. I think it's sad that people shoot the messenger, just because it's fiction. RDM is always talking about 'holding up a mirror' to real life, showing the world as it is through the allegory of fantasy. Viewed in that context, Dollhouse is fluffy brain candy compared to the suffering it could be showing.
Aaaargh this does sound a little like rationalisation. I do find the show very, very creepy. And I don't think I'll just automatically forgive all when it comes to Saint Joss. But I think people are too quick to dismiss, y'know? Take it on face value, rather than looking closely at what is really going on.
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Date: 2009-03-01 09:10 pm (UTC)I do think he's going somewhere with it. Somewhere that he's only just starting to get to. The small signals of Echo's increasing self-awareness are clear signs of that.
But for some people it's just all too yucky, and I can dig that. In fact the show is testing the boundaries of my own dub-con squick. I'm going to persevere because I have faith in Joss as a masterful storyteller. If it gets too yucky for me I guess I'll jump ship, but I can't see the yuck factor extending too far beyond where it already is.
I guess my theory about it is, Joss has made it a point many times to tell women's stories. Women are humans and all humans suffer. (And most of us don't kick ass and take names afterward.) So to not show their suffering would be disingenuous and false and BORING.
I agree. This show hasn't even gone nearly as far as to show the degradation and exploitation of human trafficking that goes on in the real world, and as I understand it targets women far more than men. I think it's sad that people shoot the messenger, just because it's fiction. RDM is always talking about 'holding up a mirror' to real life, showing the world as it is through the allegory of fantasy. Viewed in that context, Dollhouse is fluffy brain candy compared to the suffering it could be showing.
Aaaargh this does sound a little like rationalisation. I do find the show very, very creepy. And I don't think I'll just automatically forgive all when it comes to Saint Joss. But I think people are too quick to dismiss, y'know? Take it on face value, rather than looking closely at what is really going on.