what lies in the shadow of the statue?
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kricketsRandom LOST Thoughts:
Kate:
I've never fully understood her character and I still don't. There were times that I really liked her, but the writing has been pretty inconsistent, and I think Evangeline's performances have been rather inconsistent as well. (Sometimes it feels like she's a completely different character, not necessarily only in her actions but in the delivery of those actions.) Despite that, I never really felt the "Kate hate" that everyone else seemed to feel. But I did lose interest in her character off and on. But by the end of this season, of our original cast, Kate (along with Sun, a bit), is really the only character that I can get behind. She's the only one who appears not to be acting out of selfish reasons, and not just because she's going with the flow/someone told her to. She's being selfless. She has so much to lose, her life with Aaron, possibly her freedom, etc. And yet she is doing the right thing. She put Aaron in the arms of his rightful family and has come back to get his mother. It's one of the few things that's made sense to me throughout this entire season.
Sawyer:
Why I grew to love Sawyer: By the beginning of this season, he had changed in a believable, consistent way. I don't feel he was emasculated or made to be someone he was not. I don't believe he became "better" per se, only that he had grown into a person who had a family, into a person who cared about someone other than himself. And it worked because it happened gradually over time and was believable. And then we flash-forward three years and Sawyer has become someone else entirely. I barely recognize his character at all. This is so frustrating to me because I have felt for a very long time that the one character on the show that the writers had done a good job with on a consistent basis was Sawyer. And now they have erased that person.
I don't like it and I especially don't like the way he simply does what Juliet asks him to do without question. (Let's forget about their entirely unbelievable, cookie-cutter, cardboard romance.) She calls his name, "James," and suddenly he is submissive. During the fight with Jack and the decision about the bomb, I was reminded of a line from an earlier episode. Kate asks Sawyer why he is helping kid!Ben, why he changed his mind. And he talks about how Juliet said that right now Ben's just a kid and they can't just let him die, and then he says "So that's why I'm doing it. I'm doing it for her." (Possibly a paraphrase.) For her. Not because she had a good point, not because she convinced him it was the right thing to do, but just because she asked him to. Frankly, at the time, it was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard. I am saddened by this. I don't even know how to respond to the way they've treated this character this season. I will still root for him because he is Sawyer, but I hope that next season they remember who he really is.
Jack:
I haven't a clue what to say here. I'm baffled. I think he is just as lost as we are.
The Jumpsuits:
Can't express how much I want them to go away. I don't care if they are a little tight in the rear. They make everybody look like Gumby, minus the square head.
Jacob v. Not!Locke:
I agree with![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
kools_pad's assessment that Jacob represents good and Not!Locke (and Christian, and Alex, and Yemi, etc.) represents evil and that they're locked in some eternal struggle for control over the island. Okay so maybe that's not exactly what he said but that's the general idea. I got the same kind of vibe from real!Jacob that I get from Richard. This calming, non-imposing, trusting feeling. Maybe it's deceptive, but I'm going with it for now.
Show:
I toldslybrunette, I've stuck with it this long, I might as well keep watching until the bitter end. So I guess what's what I'll be doing.
Eloise & Charles:
How much do I not care about these two and about the fact that Daniel's their kid and that Penny and Daniel are at least half-siblings and might be full-siblings and... who cares? I don't see the point of this at all. Contrivance, I have missed you my old friend! (Except I totally haven't because you're always here.)
ETA! ↑
Kate:
I've never fully understood her character and I still don't. There were times that I really liked her, but the writing has been pretty inconsistent, and I think Evangeline's performances have been rather inconsistent as well. (Sometimes it feels like she's a completely different character, not necessarily only in her actions but in the delivery of those actions.) Despite that, I never really felt the "Kate hate" that everyone else seemed to feel. But I did lose interest in her character off and on. But by the end of this season, of our original cast, Kate (along with Sun, a bit), is really the only character that I can get behind. She's the only one who appears not to be acting out of selfish reasons, and not just because she's going with the flow/someone told her to. She's being selfless. She has so much to lose, her life with Aaron, possibly her freedom, etc. And yet she is doing the right thing. She put Aaron in the arms of his rightful family and has come back to get his mother. It's one of the few things that's made sense to me throughout this entire season.
Sawyer:
Why I grew to love Sawyer: By the beginning of this season, he had changed in a believable, consistent way. I don't feel he was emasculated or made to be someone he was not. I don't believe he became "better" per se, only that he had grown into a person who had a family, into a person who cared about someone other than himself. And it worked because it happened gradually over time and was believable. And then we flash-forward three years and Sawyer has become someone else entirely. I barely recognize his character at all. This is so frustrating to me because I have felt for a very long time that the one character on the show that the writers had done a good job with on a consistent basis was Sawyer. And now they have erased that person.
I don't like it and I especially don't like the way he simply does what Juliet asks him to do without question. (Let's forget about their entirely unbelievable, cookie-cutter, cardboard romance.) She calls his name, "James," and suddenly he is submissive. During the fight with Jack and the decision about the bomb, I was reminded of a line from an earlier episode. Kate asks Sawyer why he is helping kid!Ben, why he changed his mind. And he talks about how Juliet said that right now Ben's just a kid and they can't just let him die, and then he says "So that's why I'm doing it. I'm doing it for her." (Possibly a paraphrase.) For her. Not because she had a good point, not because she convinced him it was the right thing to do, but just because she asked him to. Frankly, at the time, it was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard. I am saddened by this. I don't even know how to respond to the way they've treated this character this season. I will still root for him because he is Sawyer, but I hope that next season they remember who he really is.
Jack:
I haven't a clue what to say here. I'm baffled. I think he is just as lost as we are.
The Jumpsuits:
Can't express how much I want them to go away. I don't care if they are a little tight in the rear. They make everybody look like Gumby, minus the square head.
Jacob v. Not!Locke:
I agree with
kools_pad's assessment that Jacob represents good and Not!Locke (and Christian, and Alex, and Yemi, etc.) represents evil and that they're locked in some eternal struggle for control over the island. Okay so maybe that's not exactly what he said but that's the general idea. I got the same kind of vibe from real!Jacob that I get from Richard. This calming, non-imposing, trusting feeling. Maybe it's deceptive, but I'm going with it for now.Show:
I told
slybrunette, I've stuck with it this long, I might as well keep watching until the bitter end. So I guess what's what I'll be doing. Eloise & Charles:
How much do I not care about these two and about the fact that Daniel's their kid and that Penny and Daniel are at least half-siblings and might be full-siblings and... who cares? I don't see the point of this at all. Contrivance, I have missed you my old friend! (Except I totally haven't because you're always here.)
ETA! ↑
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Date: 2009-05-18 12:03 am (UTC)I was just more impressed with Juliet. I mean, romantic plot speaking. Sawyer was actually in a romance where he didn't come off as creepy and horny. And i actually thought it was psychologically fitting for Sawyer to fall in love with a woman who was almost a mother figure. She got him in line, loved him unconditionally, and she even looked like his mom. She didn't just look like Sarah. She looked like Sawyers blond mom as well. Sawyers whole character has been based off of losing his mother at a very young age. Clearly his mother loved him deeply too. And Kate never gave that love to Sawyer. Juliet did. Also, Sawyer's horniness reminds me of something one of the writers talked about one time. Where Sawyers plight also comes from a sexual nature. His mother was having an affair, that paints a boy's perception of women. Wham bam thank you ma'am.
I think what made me not mind Sawyer and Juliet, even though it was fucking random as hell, is that it made sense for Sawyer. Or it didn't focus on Kate ALL the fucking time. Sawyer in s3 and s4 was like a god damn broken record. Kate, Kate, emo, Kate, emo. A character as complex as him shouldn't have to be ALL about a character who is not interesting at all.
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Date: 2009-05-18 07:59 pm (UTC)Didn't it?
On the other hard, S/J completely fucked up Juliet's character, thrashing her storyline (saving Ben!saving Ben!saving Ben!) so she could become Sawyer's brand new "oh!I've absolutely moved on. Not" girlfriend. And since I cared a lot more about Juleit than Sawyer.... All for what? So both characters decided to erase that relationship because Sawyer loved Kate after all? That's a lot worse, in my opinion, than anything S/K has ever done, story-wise.
Also - seeing Sawyer sniffling flowers was very creepy to me. And I find it funny that you think Kate softened him up and made him a sap of character and yet are okay with Jim LaFleur's, which was a lot, a lot, a lot more sappy that in-love-with-Kate Sawyer. For me, Sawyer in love with Juliet was as bad as Sawyer only with Kate, only he was wearing a floral shirt. But I see why you think it makes sense. For me, it might have made sense. If they had told me a story, instead of asking me to imagine or assume or guess or infer it.
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Date: 2009-05-18 08:50 pm (UTC)That is Lost. That's all it is. That's why i don't take it seriously anymore. Inference is one thing that can make an audience think. It's a great tool. But these guys depend on it. They've depended on it so much that now its just a lazy plot device. And they use it on EVERY plot.
But I'll stop here because now it just gets into opinions. And clearly you feel strongly about this.