vampire diaries thoughts

[krickets]

Not really following this whole council serial killer storyline as well as I could be, but here's what's happened so far as well as I can follow.

Victims [all founders council members]
- medical examiner [killed]
- Bill Forbes [killed]
- Alaric [halfway killed]

Named Suspects
- Klaus [& Tyler]
- Meredith Fell

Clues
- The weapons all belong to Alaric, so anyone who knows where they are and has access to them could be responsible. (This includes: Elena, Jeremy, Meredith, Damon, Alaric, and we'll assume others in the "group")
- Elena's fingerprints (Which means Katherine... and theoretically Tatia, if she's not dead and gone, could also be suspects) -- however, that could be explained by Elena using Alaric's weapons for training.

Random Stuff I Noticed
- In 3.10, Jeremy makes a comment to Tyler about Alaric being pissed if he finds out he borrowed his crossbow, thereby establishing in canon that he knows where Alaric keeps his shit, and that Tyler knows that Jeremy knows. This was only one episode before the first murder. This could indicate a couple things.

1) Assuming that Jeremy a) was not/is not currently compelled or somehow b) didn't go to Denver for some other reason -- he could be providing the culprit the access to the weapons.

2) It was also mentioned in 3.10 that Tyler has an open invitation to the Gilberts'. He could have gotten the location of the stash from Jeremy who was off of vervain at the time. So the whole Klaus using his sire bond with Tyler to have Tyler kill off the council members, could be very true. (In which case, he can pretty much kiss his chances with Caroline goodbye after what happened to her dad.)




If scenario 1 is true, who is Jeremy helping? Katherine? But why? Why does she give a rat's ass about the council members? Especially with Klaus in town. It seems risky. Unless she has some other motivation. If Tatia is still alive, and if she is a vampire, she (or Katherine) could be compelling, or simply misleading Jeremy. (I sincerely doubt he would willingly help Katherine or anyone frame his sister or harm "innocent" council members.) This one makes the least sense, which, knowing this show, makes me most likely to believe it's probably the one to bet on.

So far, the Klaus + Tyler scenario seems like it could be the most likely and the easiest for the writers to pull off. But in my brain, it doesn't work at all. I just don't understand why Klaus would bother with winning over the council on the same night he starts killing them off? And why would he put his precious doppelganger in danger by having her framed for the crimes? Clearly her fingerprints on the weapons could be a detail he's unaware of, but then why use Alaric's weapons? It just doesn't seem logical.

I am sure there are some obvious clues that I'm overlooking, and I may have gotten some details wrong, but I hope we get more answers in the next episode or so. As much as I want to believe it's Katherine and Jeremy working together for some yet-to-be-seen nefarious purposes, I actually think it would be cooler if this storyline turned out to lead us straight to the original doppelganger.


ETA: If it's Meredith Fell I will laugh. The fact that she's pretty much their first and only suspect tells me that that's a false alarm.

Comments

[ellensmithee.livejournal.com]

Another thing is that two of the attacks mirror Katherine's two first attacks when she got to MF: Bill was turned under the same circumstances as Caroline and John (another father figure of Elena) was also attacked in the kitchen with a knife.

This one makes the least sense, which, knowing this show, makes me most likely to believe it's probably the one to bet on.

That's exactly what I've been thinking. It makes the least sense, especially after Katherine's character development this season, but they seem to have ditched her past romance with Finn that was supposed to be introduced in the last ep, which would make sense if they're just going to kill her off in this plot.

[crickets.livejournal.com]

Oh, that's a good point about Katherine!

I hope they're not planning to kill Katherine off. If they're going to write her off, I would rather her disappear for good into the sunset so she could always come back another day.

I've completely forgotten about Katherine's past romance with Finn. I remembered that she had a romance with Trevor at the same time as Klaus. But Finn? You'll have to refresh my memory.

[ellensmithee.livejournal.com]

It was all in spoilers from before the hiatus. The last ep was supposed to be a flashback ep and was going to introduce a past romance between Finn and Katherine from before her turning. Someone also released a set photo with Katherine and a dog and an overturned coach, so it looks like they filmed the scenes at least. I don't know where they could have fit them in that last ep, though.

[crickets.livejournal.com]

Perhaps that's coming later?

I miss Katherine.

[ellensmithee.livejournal.com]

Me too. And I'm hoping they decided that plot merits an ep where they have more time for it and they haven't ditched it entirely.

[rabiya-al-basri.livejournal.com]

That is an awesome point about the Katherine parallels.

[ellensmithee.livejournal.com]

Thanks! Although, while getting there the other night, I worked myself into a regular tinhat panic that they were going to commit character assassination on her character development this season and kill her off. ;-)

[pada-something.livejournal.com]

can i just say i always look forward to your tvd posts? i love reading them, love it.

well, as i don't see that a detail such as the fingerprints would escape klaus (he's more intelligent than that, or at least it seems that way), i'm thinking klaus isn't guilty of the deaths. katherine could be, though i don't see what her motivations are either. if it was tatia and she was a vampire, i still don't know why take interest in the founders. i just--in general, i'm intrigued, i have no idea who it could be, because the suspects and the motivations don't click.

and i don't think meredith fell is to be blamed for that one. other than being melissa hastings' creepy older sister in pretty little liars, i think she's pretty clean.

[crickets.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I'm glad someone appreciates them, haha.

You've forced me to think about why Tatia would take interest in the council. Well, for one thing, the lack of a council will theoretically leave Mystic Falls pretty vulnerable. As we don't know if Tatia is still alive, it's hard to say why that could be important to her. (For when she swoops in and blows the lid off the joint.) But if she is still kicking around, and since she was used in the original spell to create the originals in the first place, and to place the curse on Klaus, it's not hard to imagine that she might be kind of annoyed with the Mikaelsons, and Klaus in general. So framing Elena just to piss him off could be motive enough. But that's just... total speculation.

I'm so intrigued right now. Now that it's clearly someone in town picking off the council members one by one, this storyline (which was boring me at its start) could turn out to be pretty awesome. And what happens when all of the founders are gone? Do their children take their place at the council? And who is next? We don't know a lot of the council members, so the only ones we can currently speculate about are Carol and Liz. (ETA: And Damon.)

[blighted-star.livejournal.com]

I can't even begin to guess who is trying to off council members.
I do wonder how long it'll take before we find out, though, and where this story is leading. It's only a matter of time before the person tries to kill Liz or Damon (that is if he/she doesn't know what Damon is, which I highly doubt).

[crickets.livejournal.com]

Yeah I doubt it as well, and it seems like he would be the last they would go for anyway.

Knowing this show, we'll be clued in sooner rather than later. Thankfully they don't often drag things out too long.

[blighted-star.livejournal.com]

The fact that they don't drag things out is both good and bad. I felt like with Caroline/her dad it would've been better if the writers slowed that storyline down so we could see more of the relationship development and his thought process would've been clearer.

[crickets.livejournal.com]

I think it's more good than bad though. I wish more shows weren't as scared to just pull the dang trigger and make shit happen. It's one of my favorite things about the show.

[rabiya-al-basri.livejournal.com]

1)It could be just as much killing off the "anti-vampire" faction of the council as 'killing off council members.' Bill, well, we know how he is, and Alaric made that big speech about him speaking for the humans (except that, cmon, his boyfriend's a vampire), and we don't know much about Medical Examiner other than that he and Meredith (who <3s vampires) don't get along, so it seems plausible that he's anti-vampire. If it went like this, then it could be Klaus killing off members who are less amenable to his peace treaties.

2)On the opposite end of the spectrum, it could be someone very poorly informed, or just trying to show off. They killed Bill while he was still on vampire blood, and killed Alaric without taking his ring (if they're human, they should've taken it for themselves; if they're not, they'd have to take it off to kill him), which indicates to me that either they weren't that serious about killing them, or they were very badly informed on the sitch in MF.

3)Next episode description says, "At the elegant party, Elena learns of a horrifying plan that could lead to numerous deaths and she must decide who she can trust with her new information." Pllausibly, they could be ritual sacrifices for a spell? IDK, but I don't think the Founder's Council is the endgame here.

4)So, we're an episode early for the 7-7-8/7-8-7 split, but it seems to me like we just finished act 2. Act 1--eps 1-7--was the ghost plotline, and act 2 has been the 'Klaus not getting to be with his family' (Rebekah finding out about their dad and Michael both started with ep 8, and when those finished we had Stefan's coffin-robbing) plotline, which seemingly was just wrapped up. Perhaps it could be 1 or 2 more eps? But given that we're due for another plot arc, if it's this then it should enter a new phase in the next episode or two. And given that, I *don't* think it's Klaus. At 3 acts (2-3, 3-1, and 3-2), he's already over time as Big Bad, him turning Evil Ally to a new threat would be right on schedule.

5)They'll be heard not seen for a while. It's how TVD always does things. Season 1 act 3 was all Katherine even though she didn't set foot in town until the last episode; season 2 act 3 was pretty much the same with Klaus. I don't think they can get away with exactly the same formula here, but...

[rabiya-al-basri.livejournal.com]

My head keeps running to it being Momma Original/Original Witch. It was already established that her power extended outside her coffin before she was released, and Elena was in much closer contact with her coffin than she'd ever been before. "There's always a bigger bad"--I can't think of anyone else who could replace Klaus, and it clearly wasn't Michael. As far as the show's formula goes, all signs point to her--I just can't make it work with the plot.

[crickets.livejournal.com]

See, I discounted the idea of her having power outside her coffin. But also, nothing we know so far about these murders really points to her. Hmm.

[rabiya-al-basri.livejournal.com]

So, neither she nor Michael were daggered. In Michael's case, we know why now--because Abby Bennett did it and she didn't have one. Given that Klaus was lugging her around and he had daggers for everyone else, Momma Original is either A)not a vampire, or B)a vampire but not an Original.

IDK, formula-wise I feel like she *has* to be the new big bad, and that she's had a much greater influence on the events of the post-Ghost World episodes than we've realized thus far. But, yeah, I can't really connect these threads yet either, whether because there's no connection or because it hasn't been revealed yet.

[crickets.livejournal.com]

I'm so confused now. Haha. More confused than when I started!

I kind of hope it's not "Momma Original" simply because, as drop-dead gorgeous as they are, I'm not interested in yet another original story. I want the council thing to be something new entirely!

[rabiya-al-basri.livejournal.com]

Hahaha!

Yeah, it might be. If it's a side-plot rather than the new main element, then it won't be her.