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[krickets]

This episode needed some Richard.

I haven't talked about Lost much lately. But it's mostly because my opinion differs from, oh, I dunno, everyone else's?

An example: Last week's Sawyer and Juliet pretty much reminded me of Kate and Kevin, boring and fake.

Re: This ep:

The Sawyer/Jack crap at the end was so, umm... fucking retarded/the last straw/completely out of the blue/dumbdumbdumbdumb/etc. take your pick.

And I see a lot of people reading it as Jack being a bitch but I don't think anybody was a bigger bitch in that scene than Sawyer. Way to hold a grudge against some probable mistakes* someone made several years ago when he was really only doing the best that he could. What was that about? I just did not get it.

There were things about the episode I liked, but they were mostly arbitrary. (Except for Sun knocking Ben out and leaving his ass behind -- that was awesome and relevant.)




*"probable mistakes" because no one knows how it would have turned out had different choices been made

Comments

[gigglemonster.livejournal.com]

A big fat yes to allll of this.
I definitely though Sawyer was being the bitchier of the two.
And just...ugh..what was even the purpose of that scene? To make us mad?

edit cuz ps - didn't the outfit Jack was wearing, that Sawyer had him change into, kinda remind you of Richard clothes? IDK the shirt just looked like on of his for some reason lol

[crickets.livejournal.com]

Reading Lenina20's response I guess you could call Jack's reading comment a little sarcastic, but Sawyer was just being cruel. Which is the difference for me.

Oh, Richard.

[elise-509.livejournal.com]

big fat yes. and now that i think about it from your way, sawyer was being a bitch too in that scene. i was so angry at the writers for the Jack stuff, I didn't think about it that way. now i'm extra annoyed.

even bigger and fatter yes on the fakeness of S/J. Urgh.

[crickets.livejournal.com]

Ugh, you get a side of annoyance with your annoyance. Thanks, Lost. lol.

Maybe if I had seen it over time it would feel less fake. But as it stands, snoresville. How come everything has to happen off-screen?

[eponine119.livejournal.com]

Sawyer was totally regressing and having a pissing contest with Jack. Just like always! They have some baggage, those two.

[crickets.livejournal.com]

Usually I don't mind their pissing contests. This one felt off in a big way to me. Sawyer was just being mean.

[gottalovev.livejournal.com]

aww, see, where i am, I am just curious to see Jack and Sawyer on the same screen. it was a bitch fight, I agree, where both were pretty pissy.

richard would have been awesome. *misses him*

[crickets.livejournal.com]

Yeah it's been so long since they've been "together" -- haha. I guess was hoping for a little more of a lead-in to the pissyness.

Richard, Richard, Richard. How we love you.

[elliotsmelliot.livejournal.com]

I totally agree with you on the Richard part. He should make an appearance with alarms blaring in every episode. Also, Sun + oar = awesome.

[crickets.livejournal.com]

Haha right? Though that would probably make him a bit less mysterious and stealthy.

[lenina20.livejournal.com]

And I see a lot of people reading it as Jack being a bitch but I don't think anybody was a bigger bitch in that scene than Sawyer.

LOL - check my review. I SO feel the same way. Especially because he's recriminating Jack's mistakes during a time when Sawyer's choices include stealing, beating up people, benefit from the other's pain and suffering, etc. etc. etc. If I liked Sawyer a lot better this week is because to me it proved he can still be a real bastard instead of picking flowers because oh - they smell so good.

[crickets.livejournal.com]

Yes, thank you.

Sure it was a glimpse of the "old" Sawyer, but to what end? It didn't logically fit to me. Even if he was defending his pride. He came in on the defensive, giving Jack these vague answers and not even attempting to have a conversation. And when Jack called him on it he basically said it's because, "I'm better than you, so there poopface!"

Which, I totally could have understood if more time had passed, if they had the chance to have actual disagreements, but Sawyer didn't even give Jack a chance to agree or disagree about anything. So it felt very random and misplaced to me.

[lenina20.livejournal.com]

Yes - I agree. Sawyer was hateful and acting illogically, out of sheer rivalry I believe. I think he has come to believe his new persona, which is basically founded in two pillars: his committed relationship with Juliet, and his respected role as leader in Dharma.

He even refers to the Dharma folks as 'his people', while Jack is asking him of a solution for them, not anyone in Dharma. So Sawyer confronts the fact that his leadership is just mock leadership. He isn't even being a leader to the right people, especially because he is even pretending to be someone he is not, contrary to what Jack did.

The dynamics of Sawyer/Kate establish that for Sawyer, having Kate back is a reminder of who he really is at core. It makes his relationship with Juliet shake, but it goes deeper than that. it makes his whole new persona crumble. Seeing Kate again reminds him of how much he isn't Jim Lafleur. Of course, the same thing goes for Jack. Jack feels a threat to his new role as a leader but also, as Kate, they both look at him directly in the eye and call him Sawyer. They remind him of the fact that he is living a lie and that it comes with an end date. So he acts defensively. And mean. And honestly - like an irrational bastard.

[thisisironic.livejournal.com]

It's weird, because the majority of the stuff you said in this post is the opposite of what my thoughts were on the show, but yet...I still somehow agree with you? My feelings on this show are so completely difficult to explain - most of the time, I try to keep it as superficial as possible. To me, it isn't BSG or FNL and I don't look to it for that kind of depth in characterization. I even gave up this show for a while because it was just irritating me all the time, because I was looking for too much.

So now, I just enjoy what's given to me, for the most part - I take what's on the screen and just run with it. I, personally, enjoyed the smackdown, but mainly because I've always disagreed with Jack's 'leadership methods'. But my friend made a good point to me about how it was sort of out of place, considering Jack wasn't being bitchy or know-it-all. There was the comment about the reading, but it was an easy assumption to make until Sawyer explained himself. I don't know. My first initial reaction was to enjoy the smackdown, but I'm sure in a few days I'll realize how undeserving it was at the time. Smackdown or not, though, I'm glad that, for once, everyone didn't fall in line behind Jack. I'm finding him more interesting in this position of not having any control or power over anything.

Anyways, I'd love to talk about it if you want, I hope I'm not coming across like I'm defensive or anything. I love having actual conversations about the shows I watch, haha.

But Sun! I love when her badassery starts to show.