this is not a wincest-free zone
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kricketsMy last post was created so I would be able to keep Marcus' story always and forever, because it was made of win, even if it wasn't exactly made of wincest. While I am not uninterested in hearing opposing viewpoints, that post does not need to be bogged down by a huge debate. So comments for the post below are now disabled Comments for this post are, however, not disabled. Feel free to debate all the do-da-day but please keep it civil.
A few things:
First, I didn't intend to offend anyone (wincesters and non-wincesters alike) by what was essentially a light-hearted and funny post. However, in my lack-of-sleep-induced-insanity, I must have had some semblence that it might, regardless of intent, because I f-locked it.
Regarding Wincest. Originally, my position on it was the same as I guess most people's are when they first hear of it: But? They're... brothers? But even then, even immediately, I found the idea of it humorous in the very least and it was definitely fun watching all the subtext on the show. Of course it doesn't hurt that there's a boatload of subtext.
(Just an FYI, the difference between canon & fandom, I think are clear. Wincest is not canon, IMO, and therefore any and all wincest discussion, is in reference to wincest as it exists in the fandom.)
I was never against wincest. I just didn't get it. But, after I'd read "wincest-if-you-squint" stories and then eventually read an excellent wincest fic, recced to me by![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
purestvixen I quickly changed my tune. This isn't some life-altering experience. Well, not for me anyway. It's fiction. To me, it's just not that big a deal.
But I guess I haven't really talked about this with my f-list. Not for any particular reason. I've recced a fic. I may have made passing references to it. I just never felt it was worthy of addressing. Ergo, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. But here we are.
Dear F-list,
I read Wincest.
Sincerely,
KC
P.S. That is not all I read.
See? Was that really necessary?
Regarding the great Wincest debate, we must get one thing straight right away, wincest does not equate incest for the simple fact that wincest=fiction. I can put it to you this way:
I think that we can all agree that something like... murder for instance, is probably a worse offense, morally speaking, than incest is. Right? (Of course, every person's morals are different, blah blah blah wincestcakes. You know what I mean.)
i.e. Committing murder in the real world, would be considered a much higher crime than committing consensual incest.
But for some reason, if I were to write a story in which a character had committed, what they thought to be justifiable homocide, less people would have a problem with it, than if I were to write Wincest. In fact, if that was my main character (and even if it weren't) they would probably be looked upon favorably or even in a heroic light for their actions.
How does that work?
For some reason, sexuality crosses a kind of imaginary line with some people. For whatever reason, it leaves the world of fiction and enters reality. But the truth is that it is not reality.
The bottom line, for me, is this. You either like it or you don't like it. Neither opinion is wrong. Neither opinion is better. When you like something you seek it out. When you don't like something, you avoid it. Easy.
But what this is not, is some great moral debate. Because fiction is fiction and reality is reality and that's just... that.
A few things:
First, I didn't intend to offend anyone (wincesters and non-wincesters alike) by what was essentially a light-hearted and funny post. However, in my lack-of-sleep-induced-insanity, I must have had some semblence that it might, regardless of intent, because I f-locked it.
Regarding Wincest. Originally, my position on it was the same as I guess most people's are when they first hear of it: But? They're... brothers? But even then, even immediately, I found the idea of it humorous in the very least and it was definitely fun watching all the subtext on the show. Of course it doesn't hurt that there's a boatload of subtext.
(Just an FYI, the difference between canon & fandom, I think are clear. Wincest is not canon, IMO, and therefore any and all wincest discussion, is in reference to wincest as it exists in the fandom.)
I was never against wincest. I just didn't get it. But, after I'd read "wincest-if-you-squint" stories and then eventually read an excellent wincest fic, recced to me by
purestvixen I quickly changed my tune. This isn't some life-altering experience. Well, not for me anyway. It's fiction. To me, it's just not that big a deal. But I guess I haven't really talked about this with my f-list. Not for any particular reason. I've recced a fic. I may have made passing references to it. I just never felt it was worthy of addressing. Ergo, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. But here we are.
FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT
Dear F-list,
I read Wincest.
Sincerely,
KC
P.S. That is not all I read.
See? Was that really necessary?
Regarding the great Wincest debate, we must get one thing straight right away, wincest does not equate incest for the simple fact that wincest=fiction. I can put it to you this way:
I think that we can all agree that something like... murder for instance, is probably a worse offense, morally speaking, than incest is. Right? (Of course, every person's morals are different, blah blah blah wincestcakes. You know what I mean.)
i.e. Committing murder in the real world, would be considered a much higher crime than committing consensual incest.
But for some reason, if I were to write a story in which a character had committed, what they thought to be justifiable homocide, less people would have a problem with it, than if I were to write Wincest. In fact, if that was my main character (and even if it weren't) they would probably be looked upon favorably or even in a heroic light for their actions.
How does that work?
For some reason, sexuality crosses a kind of imaginary line with some people. For whatever reason, it leaves the world of fiction and enters reality. But the truth is that it is not reality.
The bottom line, for me, is this. You either like it or you don't like it. Neither opinion is wrong. Neither opinion is better. When you like something you seek it out. When you don't like something, you avoid it. Easy.
But what this is not, is some great moral debate. Because fiction is fiction and reality is reality and that's just... that.
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Date: 2007-04-02 09:31 pm (UTC)I agree. Categories are confining. (although convenient for communities and the like, obviously). But they're huge generalizations.
All in all, I like het and I'm not slash fan. BUT I would read a Sam/Dean angsty UST story over a Sam/Ellen PWP any day. I guess that makes me flexible. or particular. definitely not 'inside the [het vs slash] box', though.
I don't know anything about LOST fandom (or wank). Watched (and loved) the first season, but it just got a little too... weird and random for me. Too many unanswered questions, followed by more (and more) unanswered questions. The pretty boys were not enough to keep my interest piqued.
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Date: 2007-04-02 09:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-04-02 09:48 pm (UTC)hahaha. more than that, fans enjoy knowing what the fuck is going on. :P
I couldn't deal anymore. Remember in the season finale when Jack Kate and Sawyer were captured, and there was that huge frickin' mushroom cloud or electromagnetic explosion or whatever the hell that was that came out of nowhere?... that was where they lost me.
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Date: 2007-04-02 09:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-04-03 12:26 am (UTC)OMG!WTF?Polar Bear!