this is not a wincest-free zone

[krickets]

My last post was created so I would be able to keep Marcus' story always and forever, because it was made of win, even if it wasn't exactly made of wincest. While I am not uninterested in hearing opposing viewpoints, that post does not need to be bogged down by a huge debate. So comments for the post below are now disabled Comments for this post are, however, not disabled. Feel free to debate all the do-da-day but please keep it civil.

A few things:

First, I didn't intend to offend anyone (wincesters and non-wincesters alike) by what was essentially a light-hearted and funny post. However, in my lack-of-sleep-induced-insanity, I must have had some semblence that it might, regardless of intent, because I f-locked it.

Regarding Wincest. Originally, my position on it was the same as I guess most people's are when they first hear of it: But? They're... brothers? But even then, even immediately, I found the idea of it humorous in the very least and it was definitely fun watching all the subtext on the show. Of course it doesn't hurt that there's a boatload of subtext.

(Just an FYI, the difference between canon & fandom, I think are clear. Wincest is not canon, IMO, and therefore any and all wincest discussion, is in reference to wincest as it exists in the fandom.)

I was never against wincest. I just didn't get it. But, after I'd read "wincest-if-you-squint" stories and then eventually read an excellent wincest fic, recced to me by purestvixen I quickly changed my tune. This isn't some life-altering experience. Well, not for me anyway. It's fiction. To me, it's just not that big a deal.

But I guess I haven't really talked about this with my f-list. Not for any particular reason. I've recced a fic. I may have made passing references to it. I just never felt it was worthy of addressing. Ergo, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. But here we are.

FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT

Dear F-list,

I read Wincest.

Sincerely,
KC

P.S. That is not all I read.


See? Was that really necessary?

Regarding the great Wincest debate, we must get one thing straight right away, wincest does not equate incest for the simple fact that wincest=fiction. I can put it to you this way:

I think that we can all agree that something like... murder for instance, is probably a worse offense, morally speaking, than incest is. Right? (Of course, every person's morals are different, blah blah blah wincestcakes. You know what I mean.)

i.e. Committing murder in the real world, would be considered a much higher crime than committing consensual incest.

But for some reason, if I were to write a story in which a character had committed, what they thought to be justifiable homocide, less people would have a problem with it, than if I were to write Wincest. In fact, if that was my main character (and even if it weren't) they would probably be looked upon favorably or even in a heroic light for their actions.

How does that work?

For some reason, sexuality crosses a kind of imaginary line with some people. For whatever reason, it leaves the world of fiction and enters reality. But the truth is that it is not reality.

The bottom line, for me, is this. You either like it or you don't like it. Neither opinion is wrong. Neither opinion is better. When you like something you seek it out. When you don't like something, you avoid it. Easy.

But what this is not, is some great moral debate. Because fiction is fiction and reality is reality and that's just... that.

Comments

[franzeska]

I don't know the story either, but (and I say this as a huge Wincest fan) I think some of the strong reactions are partly due to the fact that fandom is so utterly overwhelmed with Wincest and its proponents. Or it seems like it is anyway--I'm a bit new to the fandom, so maybe that's a false impression. It's easy to say that people should just go read something else, but half of the recs lists I see don't have anything else. Then again, I couldn't care less whether people are sleeping with their real life siblings (assuming it's consensual), so maybe I'm not the best judge of fictional incest and its purported evils.

[crickets.livejournal.com]

You should run and go read this post: here (http://esorlehcar.livejournal.com/484431.html)

It's excellent and kind of addresses the whole, "but we're so overwhelmed with wincest" argument.

Which hey, seems pretty true if you're looking on livejournal. But there were those days (those very few days) when Wincest wasn't something I was interested in at all (oh how they flew by so fast!) and I somehow managed to avoid it and not feel all oppressed by the fandom.

I guess maybe, because I don't take it personally? And because I didn't really have a moral issue with it? (Cause um, it's fanfiction!)

To me, it was like a ship that you don't sail. I mean, stripped bare, the wincest/non-wincest debate very much resembles a ship war - with like, morals and judgement and stuff.

And yes, I totally agree with you on the consensual aspect of things. Whatever you wanna do, dude. Not my business or anyone else's business.