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Aug. 5th, 2010 11:42 am
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I found this really cool/startling exhibit on flickr:
Excess and Despair in the American South by photographer Chris Osburn


Apparently Josh Jackson will only be in half the episodes in the third season? This distresses me. First, it reminds me horribly of season three of Lost where they split the show. One episode on the beach. The next episode with the captives that the others held. I hated the way they did that. Why can't they split the storylines and balance them in each episode? I just don't like this format at all.

Unlike many fans, I was not as thrilled with the back half of season two as everyone else seemed to be. More than anything I was disappointed with the way that they handled certain plot points that we'd been waiting to see unfold for a long time. I did still enjoy the show, I was just a bit disappointed in parts. But now, with this new format? It's going to test me as a viewer, that's for sure.

Okay, now I'm going to finally get ready for work.

Date: 2010-08-05 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dazzlebug.livejournal.com
WHAT.
Do not like that article. Do not want that article.

Date: 2010-08-05 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crickets.livejournal.com
Yeah. I am feeling you.

Date: 2010-08-05 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozmissage.livejournal.com
*looks out window*

Yep, that's about right. Dollar Generals are like the kudzu of the retail world down here. Even my town has one and we're chain (and everything else) free for the most part.

I'm not sure how I feel about less Peter next season. The altworld does interest me, but I think less is more where it's concerned.

Date: 2010-08-05 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crickets.livejournal.com
I feel pretty unhappy about it at the moment, to be honest.

And nothing at a dollar general is really a dollar is it? Where we go on vacation at the lake [southern virginia] there is a dollar general grocery store! It's huge and actually pretty impressive as far as Dollar Generals go. I kind of love it.

Date: 2010-08-05 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozmissage.livejournal.com
Yeah, the Dollar store is a bit of a misnomer. But we do have Dollar Trees and they're epic. Everything is legit a dollar, they don't even bother pricing stuff. I always come out with an armload of stuff I probably didn't need, but couldn't pass up because it only cost a dollar.

A Dollar General grocery store? I've never seen one of those but it sounds very cool.

Date: 2010-08-05 04:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] holycitygirl.livejournal.com
I don't think I care for that exhibit. I find the concept offensive. Maybe I'm too close to the subject, or maybe I'm just in a bad mood today.

And that Fringe news is so not cool. Ugh. Why must they ruin everything?

jesussavedmywife dot com

Date: 2010-08-05 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crickets.livejournal.com
The Fringe news is making me incredibly sad. And kind of pissed off too. With a little editing magic and imagination they could so pull off not having to split the two. Why, show? Why?

I found it reading the photographer's blog. The info he's got on the main page is interesting and I think shows that he's not completely insensitive about it. I think some of the stuff is just kind of funny and yet a little bit scary at the same time. Tear gas powder on sale and all that.

Though, Shady Rest Lane not being very shady at all [as it once was according to the photographer, who grew up around those parts], is just kind of sad.
Edited Date: 2010-08-05 05:53 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2010-08-05 06:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] holycitygirl.livejournal.com
The photographer's info about the project just seems judgmental. All - look at the poor rednecks, see what's happening to the Heartland. Um, yeah, you don't get to do that from your London flat, spoiled little rich boy.

And maybe I'm wrong, maybe he has great intentions, but - that's just the feeling I get from the fact that he points out more than once that some member of his family owned some part of the land that we are supposed to lament the degradation of.

No thanks. Also - I would like to tell the photographer - that the United States is full of rural, small towns, over-populated with chain stores and Guns and Ammo stores. It's full of places where the trees have been cut down in once shady groves and people who really can't afford it buy God awful trucks. Georgia ain't it. It's a shit world that we are destroying as quickly as humanly possible. Don't take 20 pics and pretend it's a phenomenon you discovered.

If you want to use words like "DESPAIR" show me children starving in the street and 50 year olds who don't know how to read, not church signs. This isn't a stand I usually take but, Jesus saves people's wives all the time. It's called faith when you don't have anything else, giving you a reason to wake up in the morning. Who are we to set up flickr accounts and point fingers?

Re: jesussavedmywife dot com

Date: 2010-08-05 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crickets.livejournal.com
I guess I read it a bit differently. I thought he seemed disappointed to see the place that he grew up in this way, which is understandable to me, even with the judgement. And hey I think the fact that there are billboards addressing meth addiction [necessary perhaps, but still sad to see them there] qualifies as despair.



But I see what you're saying and I agree with you about that. I responded to Katie below saying that I definitely don't believe that any of these types of images are exclusively southern. So I totally agree with you there.

One thing though. You can't tell me that those people aren't pointing fingers themselves when they're driving around with a truck that says "my god is real"? [The unspoken "your god is not" and all of its judgements and ramifications ringing loud and clear.] Yeah, it's just one truck but I bet there are plenty of others with similar sayings. And it does reflect a general sentiment held by many. It's not like he's exploiting the innocents with that one.

Not going to go through each picture and try and explain why the artist may or may not have included each particular photo because obviously I can only guess. I just happen to think that it was an interesting exhibit.

Re: jesussavedmywife dot com

Date: 2010-08-05 08:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] holycitygirl.livejournal.com
As usual, I'm pretty sure we are going to have to agree to disagree.

I cannot support anything that offers such a one-sided view. The South[and I'm talking Deep South here, my territory, where I still live and have somehow managed to survive without being tear gassed or sold meth or had Jesus biscuits forced upon me] is a beautiful place where plenty of good people manage just fine. I don't need another escapee doing their level best to make us look uneducated and unworthy.

I don't expect you to understand - in the same way that I never expect anyone to understand when I explain to them why I get so upset when people make a big deal out of my accent. I am more than the things that define me and so is the South. I just believe in this case that a picture is NOT worth a thousand words.
Edited Date: 2010-08-05 08:02 pm (UTC)

Re: jesussavedmywife dot com

Date: 2010-08-05 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crickets.livejournal.com
Well I love your accent. So whatever to the folks to make a deal out of it. And I still can't believe that they would.

And no, it's definitely not a complete picture. I mean, hey, I grew up in Memphis for ten years. While these things are not unheard of, they're definitely not what defines the south entirely.

Can we please stop talking about biscuits? I'm hungry enough as it is.

:P

Speaking of, the only food that was actually forced upon me while living in Memphis was one of those little mini sausages at a New Year's Eve party once. My friend's German grandmother, Oma Emmie, attacked me with a fork and a sausage as I was walking through the side door. I believe we performed Meatloaf's I Would Do Anything For Love [But I Won't Do That] on karaoke that night. Ah, good times.

Date: 2010-08-05 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmousie.livejournal.com
I don't think I care for that exhibit. I find the concept offensive. Maybe I'm too close to the subject, or maybe I'm just in a bad mood today.

I hear you. :-\

Date: 2010-08-05 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crickets.livejournal.com
As someone who grew up in the south and lives there now, I think what that exhibit is showing is really just a slice of the truth. [Not the whole pie.]

If you read the description on the main album page I think you get a clearer picture of what the artist was doing and what it meant to him. The title could have been chosen, better, I'll agree. And maybe some of the photos are more innocuous than others and didn't deserve to be included. But it's not like it doesn't depict some form of reality. It's a small geographical area where he was taking these pics, close to his very own hometown.

But it's not as though most or all of these things are exclusively southern, either.
Edited Date: 2010-08-05 06:31 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-08-05 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmousie.livejournal.com
I'm not saying he didn't have a right to do it, or that it doesn't reflect some form of reality. I just don't like it, which is my right too. :-)

Date: 2010-08-05 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crickets.livejournal.com
I guess I just wanted you to know how I saw it. I understand that you don't feel the same way.


ETA: How inappropriate is my default buffy icon here? Whoops.
Edited Date: 2010-08-05 07:44 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-08-05 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmousie.livejournal.com
Didn't even think about the icon. And no worries. Don't feel like having a debate today, is all.

Date: 2010-08-05 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crickets.livejournal.com
I think 90% of the time I use my default just because I forget to change it.

Understandable.

Date: 2010-08-05 06:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] holycitygirl.livejournal.com
Yeah, it set me off today. I'm easily set off today though.

I replied to KC and expounded on my issue with the whole thing.

Date: 2010-08-05 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crickets.livejournal.com
I think I probably owe you a fic or something after that. I already owe Katie one.

Date: 2010-08-05 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmousie.livejournal.com
Thanks for expounding, and I commented mostly to let you know that I appreciated your saying what you did. I didn't really want a debate. So, for what it's worth, thank you.
Edited Date: 2010-08-05 07:46 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-08-05 08:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] holycitygirl.livejournal.com
No problem, whatsoever. I'm happy we agree on this.

I didn't really want a debate either, but KC [God love her] drags me in every time. ;)

Date: 2010-08-05 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crickets.livejournal.com
I'm bad for your [mental] health. Obviously.

Date: 2010-08-05 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airings.livejournal.com
What? D: I do not approve!

Date: 2010-08-05 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crickets.livejournal.com
The should poll fans to see if they think things like this would be a good idea before they implement them. BAD IDEA, SHOW.

Date: 2010-08-05 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airings.livejournal.com
Fans should generally get a bigger say in deciding their favorite shows imo :P though that'd probably play out terrible in real life - can you imagine Sam/Dean and Dean/Castiel shippers fighting over what Kripke should do? I don't even.

But seriously, this sucks so bad! I would love to see more of badass AG Walter so I'm glad they're going to spend a lot of time in the other universe, but sheez, they could've done half-AU and half-original universe in one episode instead of devoting full episodes to the AU.

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