Before Sunset
May. 6th, 2012 01:09 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
So basically my feelings about the recent Vampire Diaries episodes can be summed up outside of a cut because nothing I feel right now is spoilery. Because I'm a delusional non-canon shipper.
Pretty much what you need to understand is that I am a gross person who ships everything in the universe that she shouldn't ship. Whatever you saw on your screens the past two weeks did not actually happen in my brain. What really happened (read: did not in any way happen) was this:
Jeremy/Matt! Caroline/Stefan! Klaus/Rebekah! Elena/Tyler! Stefan/Tyler! Klaus/Stefan! Elena/Jeremy! Jeremy/Tyler! Matt/Tyler! etc. (And I really do mean etc. - at this point I am just sparing you my crazy.)
I know.
I'm sick and I can't be helped.
You might as well leave me to it.
Pretty much what you need to understand is that I am a gross person who ships everything in the universe that she shouldn't ship. Whatever you saw on your screens the past two weeks did not actually happen in my brain. What really happened (read: did not in any way happen) was this:
Jeremy/Matt! Caroline/Stefan! Klaus/Rebekah! Elena/Tyler! Stefan/Tyler! Klaus/Stefan! Elena/Jeremy! Jeremy/Tyler! Matt/Tyler! etc. (And I really do mean etc. - at this point I am just sparing you my crazy.)
I know.
I'm sick and I can't be helped.
You might as well leave me to it.
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Date: 2012-05-06 07:28 pm (UTC)(Nothing wrong with liking incest-themed fiction, just saying coz the cultural discourse around incest is really unhelpful for fighting incest as an especially pernicious form of sexual/psychic violence)
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Date: 2012-05-06 08:11 pm (UTC)My Elena/Jeremy/Tyler fic is probably (guessing) my most popular TVD fic on AO3. Now whether that has anything to do with the pairing or if it's just better than my other fics, I don't know. But obviously this particular pairing is, at bottom, alluring to a small number of fans of the show. For one reason or another.
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Date: 2012-05-06 08:53 pm (UTC)And parents/older siblings have a kind of influence over you and who you are that is pretty much unique. There really isn't anything like it from someone you meet after you're 15 and isn't your 24/7 mentor/cult guru. It's a step down from compulsion in terms of power, but ten steps up in terms of betrayal of trust. The Sire bond is the only thing on the show comparable. (Do people ship Tyler/Klaus? God that would be a creepy ship. I'm not practiced with AO3 but the brief search I tried turned up only one fic, Klaus/Tyler Smallwood, who is not sire bound)
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Date: 2012-05-06 08:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-06 09:12 pm (UTC)"The thing that people think is wrong with incest is blood relation."
"Blood relation isn't wrong (we're not making babies, they're just uptight)."
"Therefore, what we're doing isn't wrong [but you should keep it a secret anyway because people will think you're gross]."
To an eleven year old kid, this is incredibly convincing.
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Date: 2012-05-07 04:07 pm (UTC)I get that your opinions on this are very layered and I have to admit it's hard for me to fully understand. But I think I see what you are getting at. Which is, the shame of calling it "gross" is disenfranchising to real victims who might be trying to speak out against incest abuse because of the stigma of being labeled and looked at "gross" even though they are themselves a victim.
Everybody's got their own reasons for liking or not liking stuff and really, they're usually just a gut reaction. Can't really be helped, you know? You can intellectually know that the truly "gross" part about incest is the potential for power abuse. But it doesn't really change the fact that siblings copulating and potentially procreating just doesn't seem right to most people, regardless of power/control. Still, it is good to point out that the abuse of trust is the real problem with this kind of abuse.
I've never seen any Klaus/Tyler fic. Though after the looks of betrayal exchanged in this week's episode, I can see people being inspired to write it.
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Date: 2012-05-07 03:29 pm (UTC)And, the whole "I would think it was gross," was a bit of a snarky joke, which I think KC understood. It's just fiction she, and others are writing. Not real life. Not like they're out there making love to their cousins, brothers, or fathers. And, I don't think being okay with reading a fiction piece about someone having sex with their cousin is going to cure rape, incest, or anything along those lines which is morally reprehensible - to me. The only thing that will is figuring out what causes these things, and various ways to stop, or prevent them. But, that's just my thought.
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Date: 2012-05-07 04:10 pm (UTC)By the way, if you are still interested, I am still going to write some Elena/Jeremy over hiatus. Apparently I cannot be deterred.
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Date: 2012-05-08 01:31 pm (UTC)I'm definitely still interested. I've read all your fic, even if I don't say anything. In fact, it's made me consider writing some at a couple points in various fandoms. :") (YES, it's that good, and don't argue, or I'll... I don't know, but it's not going to be nice! So, yeah! Grr! Haha.)
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Date: 2012-05-08 01:48 pm (UTC)